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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 18, 2012 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: here goes nothing!!

i think Dark Star is one of the more overrated Grateful Dead songs....but of course thats just my opinion..i would favor a strong The Other One any day!!!..what songs would you say are most overrated???

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Poster: august_wst Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

any Bobby "I want to be a bluesman" number

Little Red Rooster
C.C. Rider
Walking Blues
Wang Dang Doodle
The Same Thing

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 18, 2012 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

C'mon now give the little whitest of white boys credit for trying. He does try very hard, he just doesn't seem to "get it".

and to stay on topic, "Barbed Wire Whipping Party"

My bad...the topic was overrated. BWWP is definitely not an overrated tune. It is , IMHO the absolute worst tune ever done by the GOGD



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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

some of the late 80s versions are pretty good thanks to brent!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

But do you think they're "overrated"?

I think to qualify as overrated something has to be, well, rated highly. Whether or not you like any of those, it would be hard to argue that they've ever been rated up there with Dark Star.

I enjoy Casey Jones just fine, but I'd agree it's "overrated" in the sense that it's one of the few that ever got popular enough for lots of folks to know it, and I can't say it's one I'd have gone all nuts about if it's all I'd heard.

I also like Touch of Grey just fine, but am perplexed as to why it ever became a hit. It's pretty lightweight in the scheme of the whole canon, really. Why DID it catch on so much? I'd call it "overrated" in the sense that its impact and popularity seems to way overmatch what it offers.

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Poster: august_wst Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

....Point of Order please Judge... How are you defining overrated then?

I mean Truckin' certainly qualifies then. A good song and all but really it seems like they played it for the "other people" who came, and not necessarily the touring folk.

and Liberty?!?! what the crap?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Truckin' does NOT qualify!

April 16, 1972, Aarhus University, Denmark – http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-16.sbd.miller.18103.sbeok.shnf - This is sometimes mislabeled as Truckin> Caution or even Truckin> Caution> UJB… I don’t know why. In any case, it is an awesome, must-hear Truckin’> Other One jam for sure.

August 12, 1972, Sacramento Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento, CA – http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-08-12.sbd.smith.gems.105132.flac16 - First time they turned the dynamic duo around, Truckin’ comes after a tasty Other One> Black Peter> Other One sandwich. Truckin’ is 12 minutes long and the jam is fully charged up after a short but very cool Other One reprise/verse two.

March 26, 1973 - Balitmore Civic Center - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-03-26.sbd.miller.34787.sbeok.flac16 - An absolutely stellar Truckin’ jam that goes way out into space before settling into WRS prelude. Beautiful and classic sequence from an amazing month of shows.

June 9, 1973, RFK Stadium - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-06-09.sbd.patched.barry.93475.sbeok.shnf - Nice transition from Gone into Truckin’, followed by an INSANE Truckin’ jam that goes in unexpected directions and gets very hot, followed by a little Phil/Billy, a mellow jam, a Here Comes Sunshine tease, and finally PITB. First Truckin’> PITB (and one of only four ever).

May 19, 1974, Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR – http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.sbd.fix.miller.107165.flac16 - Flat-out awesome Truckin/Nodody’s attack into a gorgeous MLB/NFA jam. One of the best parts of one of the year’s best shows.

May 25, 1974, Campus Stadium, UCSB, Santa Barbara, CA – http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-25.sbd.jmiller.205.sbeok.shnf - The Dead tear Truckin’ apart like a band at the height of its powers and then rip into a brief but blistering Nobody’s jam that descends into a spicy little groove before entering pretty deep space.

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Poster: august_wst Date: Sep 18, 2012 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truckin' does NOT qualify!

If you were a lawyer you'd be one of those guys who sends over 75 file cartons of paperwork for an evidence request, wouldn't you?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 18, 2012 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truckin' does NOT qualify!

No need for 75 boxes.. These five selections will do just fine. Blow the jury's minds with psychadelic power blues, that's my approoach.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 19, 2012 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truckin' does NOT qualify!

"These five selections will do just fine."

Well, I definitely agree with the Santa Barbara show, but that's only because I started at the bottom. Will touchback when I've reached the top.

Judge TOOTMO

P.s. FWIW, I've always enjoyed the Europe '72 Truckin'>Prelude>???>Morning Dew. This Truckin' was probably the first s t r e t c h e d o u t tune of theirs that I had heard. (And this amDew is the one that put me on to the Dew.)

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Poster: august_wst Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truckin' does NOT qualify!

I was talking mid 80's on

every song had a high point (except maybe Day Job)

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 19, 2012 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truckin' does NOT qualify!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5gOgsInJU&;

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Touch: a catchy tune, tinkly riff, and a simplistic message - I will get by - that resonates with the unwashed masses. (Reminds me of Barry Manilow's We Made it Through - another paean to mediocrity.) All packaged neatly for 3-minute radio play. Agree with your sentiments completely.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

are these really overrated? That would mean they are popular, right?

I LOVE The Same Thing when Pig was singing it. Not overrated!

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 19, 2012 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

probably get some flak on this answer. although i LIKE the song i really think( morning dew) is overrated.just my opinion though.

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Poster: immaculatefungi Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Kindly, maybe you don't understand Dark Star.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

do you suggest >>> Dark Star master class for your ENJOYMENT)!!!

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Poster: immaculatefungi Date: Sep 19, 2012 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Well, if yes, the first lesson is from Jerry Garcia, It means whatever you think it means. But over-rated, definitely NOT. I advise the original poster of this perverse question to quickly purchase "Grayfolded"!

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Terrapin.

Add "at a siding" and I wouldn't think so. But as it is its a nice enough tune, but they rarely let it go to strange places.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 18, 2012 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I agree. The live versions of this song do nothing for me at all...probably the only studio GD that I enjoy more.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Turtles That Go Nowhere

Terrapin here as well.

Overly thought out and way to structured.

Better in studio than live.

Leave that stuff to Floyd.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 18, 2012 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere...har, har; elb, SDH?

Thx to CRAVEN & AROSE...

You that doubt StSt, must go directly to 6-14 (find it yourself--no links for the wimps) and listen to what is the finest jammed version ever (beward poor sound quality).

Seriously; the changes, the lyrics, the lead OUT of DS and into the...yes...the William Tell Bridge...and the Eleven.

Well, trust, there's simply no way it can be rated any higher than it is, and you all know it BEAT DS as "best DEAD song ever".

Right?

There's not much to talk about, except, as noted, to mumble about why one doesn't get something that one SHOULD.

Ahem.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 18, 2012 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere...har, har; elb, SDH?

I just want to point out that i gave props to the WT Bridge. In my sandwich analogy i think of it as a spicy mustard. You on the other hand are more like relish.

I think you made my point easier. If it is rated as the "best dead song ever" than it can justifiably be classified by anyone who even ranks it as high as number 2, as overrated. So i can like St. Stephen, even your beloved 6-14, and still think it is overrated!

Now its gun to your head on a deserted island time. You have a tape of 10-12-68 set 1 and you are forced to get rid of one song that isn't named DDHNM. What do you delete? Dark Star? St. Stephen? The Eleven? WT is hardly a song so i don't think we can include that and it isn't really part of St. Stephen either so it stays. Whats it going to be relish boy?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 19, 2012 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere...har, har; elb, SDH?

why do you get your own bridge , anyhoot!!! aah hell, you deserve, just for being an ELDERstatesman!!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2012 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere...har, har; hogwash.

and you all know it BEAT DS as "best DEAD song ever" ... in your mind.

You can't pull that superiority crap on this curmudgeon.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 18, 2012 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere...har, har; hogwash.

Actually, I should explain, uj, in case it was before your time--not sure, was it? Seriously--it was back during the "Forum Wars", long ago, and far...er...ack.

Well, again, seriously--it was a long and complex voting system (some here like Bill could explain it), in which everyone starts by selecting...crap. Can't recall. But, literally 100s of iterations were involved, and the in the final analysis it did in fact "win".

Truth be told, however, it was at Dead Hook, and I think it may have been that though many 100s MIGHT have participated, in fact, it was probably only dozens and dozens of die hard fans.

Counts for something, right?

;)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 18, 2012 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere...har, har; elb, SDH?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but...


Wait, per Forum rules it IS necessary that I disagree with you. No offense, old chum, but rules are rules.

You are wrong. Doesn't matter what you said (as if I'd read your drivel anyway), it was already wrong before you typed it.

Life is so much easier with a few mathmatical certainties built in.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 18, 2012 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Turtles That Go Nowhere

I like Terrapin. But I've always thought Hunter's version is far more interesting. And it just sounds like right way for that song to be played to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDeeWExBrVM

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I respect your opinion, but I could never, ever agree with this. Honestly I don't enjoy every Dark Star but the song (and I don't mean the song itself necessarily - if that's what you're soley referring to then my apologies) is what defines the band.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 18, 2012 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Loose Lucy is filler material. Never did care much for it. The lyrics are a bit crude for a Garcia/Hunter tune. For some reason others seem to dig it.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I guess I could see someone thinking its filler, but personally I love this tune. Underrated in the GD canon if anything. Crude but hilarious and fun!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

St. Stephen. Don't get me wrong, I like the song, but I never thought it was that great and never completely got why it is so popular. I assume it is as much to do with it being a bit of an anthem of psychedelia as much as the song itself. I like China Cat Sunflower in that role much better.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 18, 2012 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

screw what the masses may say, I'm on your side. Never got the hoopla. Good song no doubt, but it has taken on a mythic status that I dont personally get. Great if it works for you (the general public), but it doesn't punch my buttons like a stellar Other One can. Just me, of course.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

WhaaaaaaAAAAAAAAT?!? You don't get St Stephen?!?

Is that possible? No no, you must be running a test here, to see if people explode ...

does not compute
does not compute

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I just exploded AR. BOOOOM!

nod to
nod fro
nod to
nod fro
nod to
slump...

hair so long ~~~~~~~~~~~~ uuuhhhhhhhhg
You might have to use your own Charlie Brown puking gif.

I hope WT isnt reading this. please let him have the day off

'what i am missing that would make me think it is more than a good song'
Um, the time signatures, key signatures,
the melody, the harmony, the lyrics, Donna (for the good ones) the meaning. I dont know what else to give ya man :)

I stand by AR, with my mouth wide open...in disbe-whaaaaaa?
(that might not have come out right, but you know what I mean...) Me thinks the elbows name hath been stolen.

Seems all this life was just a dream

"actually i am now singing along with the hair so long lyrics. I think it is an improvement! "
~
Thank goodness you are coming around. Coming, Coming, Coming around . Comingaround ya'll now...Comin Comin...Coming around ComonA. ComonA. Coming around.... Coming arou-Hound!!

edit~ luckily, I love every GD song. Its a blanket policy.
Even the crappiest of the crappiest.....gimme.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 18, 2012 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

No its me, no name stolen.

I think it comes back to the definition of overrated. I did say i like the song and that i even sing along with inaccurate lyrics. If Cliff can put 2-26-77 in his top 10 shows for '77 and also call it overrated then i think I can like St. Stephen and also call it overrated. I think calling a song you like overrated is a far more accurate assessment than calling something overrated because its not a good song (bad Bob blues covers) or you simply don't like the song. Of course this all assumes that there is some official rating of all GD songs. Maybe we need such a thing. Calling LIA......

You love Samba in the Rain? You are a better head than I.....

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 18, 2012 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

overrated, shmo-verrated... as long as Im rich ~ Daffy Duck

No, I get you man. Its all subjective. I just like the
fact that your points have meaning, and made me laugh at the
same time (in no disrespect). And its not to say that I
wont skip a Bobby cowboy, or blues tunes: I dont know how
anyone could listen to him 'learn' slide guitar in front of
thousands of people in the early 80s til now (ouch).
It just means that I dont~ NOT like it.

and yes, I can listen to Samba AND Corrina in the same night
and not get sick. Even the worst version of a song or show,
broken string, or broken lyric, is at least good for a laugh. And thats fine with me.

To itch your own my good man :)
Now, Im gonna Google "better head" and see what comes up...

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 18, 2012 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I was going to add that I don't care much for the cowboy songs, but on reflection it's MAMU and El Paso that I don't enjoy. Overrated or overplayed ? Probably the latter, but I have no problem with Mexicala or Big River (does that count as a 'cowboy tune ?)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Well i thought i understood it until you ruined my favorite line, "hair so long he got to calling it home."

What about it is so great? Tell me what i am missing that would make me think it is more than a good song.

I will say that i definitely like the '68 and '69 versions best. As the song slowed down (i think this started by '70) and became a waltz (i'm looking at you 1977) it musically does very little for me. Even in '68 and '69 when it was sandwiched between DS and The Eleven, I much preferred the bread over the meat in that sandwich. I will say that little dab of WT was kind of nice though.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Agree with you... more interesting for musical "change-ups". For me me it's the set-up for the fastball to come - a ripping Eleven. The latter versions of StSt were just ponderous.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Well, maybe that it’s evocative of a kind of visionary raggedy back-to-the-garden wildness that is transcendental, tribal, and quintessentially “free”? That it gets to the core of something that is grounded and rooted, yet also timeless …

Sorry about your favorite line, though :-)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Yes i think i speculated that it is so popular because it is an anthem of psychedelia. Perhaps an anthem of hippidom would have been more accurate. Still it makes it a curious pick because i suspect that most of the other songs that reside in the pantheon of Grateful Dead tunes, are there primarily because of the music not the lyrics. This would seem to be the exception.

actually i am now singing along with the hair so long lyrics. I think it is an improvement!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

To me what happens musically is part and parcel of what happens lyrically, which I think is always the case with the best GD music. (Well, the best that HAS lyrics, anyway.) But I think the poetic tone and evocativeness of StSt is not actually primarily about the lyrics per se. It connects, and like I said, it's always part and parcel -- I mean, the same music with the lyrics of Cream Puff War wouldn't have the same impact (duh) -- but the lyrics themselves, while poetic, aren't their "strongest."

Now if I can also get you to see that the true lyrics of TOO go "love is, love is, love is all around ..."

Isn't that even better? :-)

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Poster: Taper Corey Date: Sep 18, 2012 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Good Lovin' most overrated tune IMO

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Lovelight

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I am with you . We have gone though this before, but what must have been roof raising live, can seem long winded in the cool of our private listing space . And Pig's macho raps are an acquired taste . The more they actually "jam" it, I like it more . RBNW, I won't say your nuts for liking Bob's versions better than Ron (...well at lest they are shorter...) ..but ... OK , I like Warren's versions better than the Weir sung versions .
august west's point about Weir's blues forays,are relevant here, also .
As for Dark Star being overrated, I guess you could say the actual song part is not much . But where they could sometimes go with it ! It could delve into some pretty deep waters, more introspective , than the volcanic "Other One" ( I LOVE them both, though the commonness of "OO" , and the baskets full of perfunctory versions , in the latter days , hurts it's a bit ). There is good reason why that "DS " on "Live Dead" is so revered . It is beautiful .

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

to take that a step FURTHUR.... i actually like the bobby versions better than the ron versions...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 18, 2012 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Many of the Bobby versions are more vocally tolerable, however a lot of Garcia's best guitar work early on can be found in Lovelights. If you can get past the sometimes unbearable vocals, you'll hear some incredible playing by Garcia and Lesh. Same applies for Good Lovin'.

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Poster: utopian Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

Jerry said something about darkstar to the effect of ~ it wasn't really a song.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

I know he said it, but I don't really buy that. He's referring to the exploratory jamming that became associated with it. It's a song. It's a great song, even if you omit the jamming.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Sep 19, 2012 3:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

Change even if to when and you are spot on.....
Great song when you omit all the jamming.
If they had kept it 10 or 12 minutes or less, I would be on board with it being a great song.
20+ minutes of DS?? no longer a song at that point, just alot of self indulgent noise. YMMV, of course.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 19, 2012 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

Grateful Dead is to "Dark Star" as Miles Davis is to "So What"

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Sep 19, 2012 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

Grateful Dead is to "Dark Star" as Miles Davis is to "So What"

Was that one of the questions on the S.A.T.s??
Been awhile since I took them. LOL

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Poster: veblen Date: Sep 19, 2012 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

Clever, but I'd spend a little more time with the Miles catalog.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 19, 2012 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

I'm pretty familiar with his music. Are you suggesting that there is a more suitable analogy? Do tell..

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Poster: utopian Date: Sep 18, 2012 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! Darkstar

Of course it's a song

But not the most intricate, musically

....

I'm a fan btw

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

Guess it depends on your definition of overrated... who rates all the songs? Very personal preferences/judgements. Seems we've been down this path before.

Agree with august_wst and strat: Lovelight and I would add Schoolgirl, but that might just be fatigue. If they kept these to about 6 minutes I would enjoy them more. My other nominations would be Black Peter and Round & Round, never do much for me. On the other hand, Dark Star is fully deserving of its rightful place as a seminal tent-pole in the GD canon. It is an amazing exploration of sonic spaces in the rock 'n roll medium.

One complaint I have is reserved for heads who describe a particular version of say, Dew, or Wharf Rat, as "epic". The song was either performed "well" or in some unique way (or not, as happens most of the time - it's just well-done and not sloppy); or Jerry's solo was particularly sweet, but very little about a performance can be "epic." Rant over.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

Wow... you listed Lovelight, Black Peter and Schoolgirl. We must have very different taste in GD.

I also disagree that there aren't epic versions of Dew or Wharf. It's all in the interpretation. I certainly don't think you can just give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down. There are standard solos, and there are epic, mind-blowing solos where Garcia finds new territory to explore. "Epic" might be the wrong word, since it suggests a long journey, but still.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

I'm just not a Pig fan, esp. the long-winded raps do nothing for me. The basic tunes are cool. Black Peter is the "debbie-downer" of GD, must have been a come-down at a show.

As for "epic" - I prefer YOUR descriptions on Truckin' from above: "awesome", "classic and beautiful", "insane", "gorgeous", "blistering" -- all more descriptive than epic. Wagner's Ring Cycle is an epic... guess I'm ranting about over-use of the word.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

See here how everything leads up to this day
And it's just like any other day that's ever been
Sun going up and then the sun it's going down ...

I think those are some of the most powerful lyrics they've got! I don't see it as a downer ... well, if you think of it only in context of a guy lying around dying of a fever, I can see that, but to me, those are profound if simple-seeming lyrics ... talk about philosophy in a nutshell.


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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 19, 2012 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

See here how everything leads up to this day
And it's just like any other day that's ever been
Sun going up and then the sun it's going down ...

those lyrics blow me away EVERYTIME!!! it is grateful dead!

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

particular version of say, Dew, or Wharf Rat, as "epic".
no Black Peter?

Drop the epic. These are songs about the human race. Me
AND you. Life AND death. The meaning of, "I guess it
doesnt matter anyway". or " a friend or 2 I love at hand" doesnt pull at the heart strings no matter how BAD it is?
We have some different views my friend. Different views...

who rates all the songs?
You do. I do.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2012 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!! add: is it EPIC?

Very pithy, my friend. These songs do pull at the heart strings, and I do like them all... well, almost all.

Thank god we all have different views. I enjoyed your POV.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 18, 2012 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

“i think Dark Star is one of the more overrated Grateful Dead songs”

You've never heard a jam in a Dark Star that appeals to you? Fascinating. Aren't you a big Frank Zappa fan?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 18, 2012 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

i have heard many jams in Dark Stars that have lots of appeal to me...i never said i didnt like Dark Star, i just said i think its over rated!!! its not what i would call their best work or their most impressive work throughout!! i would call it their most experimental piece played without any doubt. and yes i love FZ. if he played Dark Star well it just may have been less overrated!!! or not! LOL

This post was modified by RBNW....new and improved! on 2012-09-19 01:52:12

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 18, 2012 7:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Oops, my bad. I misinterpreted the original question, which is pretty bad considering I even included your quote about DS being overrated in my initial post. Don't drink and post!

How you think Bobby lovelights are better than Pig lovelights is still beyond me though.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 18, 2012 9:05pm
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i never drink and post.... but if i did i would prefer Dos Equis!!! i am the most interesting man in the world !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18VkI0uDxE i havent had a drink in over 12 years !!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

There was a similar thread awhile back and I was surprised to see the number of people who thought Terrapin was overrated.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 18, 2012 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

High Time

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 18, 2012 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

I'll go with Terrapin. - Remember, this is about "overrated." Doesn't mean I don't ever enjoy Terrapin, but it's definitely overrated. It's just not so epic as it's trying to be.
You people saying Saint Stephen need to have your heads examined ...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 17, 2012 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Casey Jones - never did anything for me.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 18, 2012 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Overrated, maybe, but I like Casey Jones. There's a lot going on there, musically. I agree that many of the live versions don't really cut it, but there are some good ones where they really pick up steam at the end. I think '72 and '77 have the best versions.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 18, 2012 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

“I think '72 and '77 have the best versions.”

I think 10/02 is probably the best version, but '77 only has 3 other versions. NYE '77 is also great. I think '72 has the most consistently good versions, though '71 and '73 have some excellent ones as well. Love this one. It's like a funky ragtime version:
http://archive.org/details/gd73-12-19.sbd.finney.outtakes.197.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: mush72 Date: Sep 18, 2012 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: here goes nothing!!

Agreed.